School bus chaos caught on camera

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Updated: 4/12/2012 5:56 am
SAN ANTONIO -- A bus driver and parents call police on each other, and the chaos that ensued is caught on camera.

The kids go to Hartman Elementary in the Judson school district.

Parents say they’ve had problems with the bus route all year. They complain their kids get dropped off at a different stop every day.

It all came to a head Tuesday afternoon.

The cameras inside the bus rolled for 45 minutes as the driver put the bus on lockdown and parents forced open the doors to get their kids.

“Judson Police are called,” the driver is heard telling the students.

“We weren’t doing anything,” one child answered.

“You were standing up,” the driver said. “I told you to sit down.”

The Judson school district says the corner in question is not a bus stop. But parents say it is, and they tried to flag the bus down there.

“I have a lady out here that I don’t have to talk to,” the driver told the kids.

The substitute driver said he felt threatened and called police.

“There was a woman who was threatening him with physical harm with a baseball bat, and had done so the day before,” Judson ISD spokeswoman Aubrey Chancellor said.

Judson policy states if a bus driver calls police, the vehicle goes on lockdown: everyone stays put inside the bus.

“Roll up the windows,” the driver tells the students. “I’ve got the AC running.”

“At no point on the tape does the bus driver lose control,” Chancellor says.

But parents say their kids were terrified.

"As I started walking around the bus, the kids rolled down the windows and said, 'Help us, help us. He's being mean and threatening us,’” Jessica Sauceda said. Her child was on the bus.

“I came to the window,” father Ramon Yanez said. “He told me he wasn’t releasing kids out.”

Several parents called police and demanded the driver open the doors.

Judson ISD says that’s when the kids became emotional, too.

“Open the dang door,” one child said.

“I want my mommy and daddy,” another child said.

The tape shows parents taking matters into their own hands.

"It's clear that they pry open not only the front door but also the back emergency exit. They're physically removing kids from the bus,” Chancellor said.

Judson ISD says that’s against the law. Texas law states it’s a Class C Misdemeanor for impending public transportation when unauthorized adults enter a school bus.

Parents defend their actions.

"If you hear a child yelling, 'Help us,' you're going to stop and help and do whatever is needed," Sauceda said.

Parents say their kids are now scared to take the bus.

Judson ISD says the driver did nothing wrong but he will be assigned to a different route and receive additional training.
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donoho - 4/17/2012 10:06 AM
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Thanks very much @telephone302, for this enlightening perspective, which confirms what many of us believed. Likewise, @zapata and @busboss, many thanks for the job you do. School bus drivers have a very difficult job with an enormous amount of responsibility. Stupid, immature, selfish, inconsiderate parents and their badly behaved children just exacerbate that job and endanger all the children.

busboss - 4/14/2012 10:12 AM
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Greetings, I drive for another district and the driver was absolutely correct in his actions. When safety aboard the bus is compromised, the bus is pulled over at a safe location and order is restored so that the route may continue safely. Routing departments use formulas to create routes that are timely, safe, and efficient. Many things are taken into consideration when building a route: safety for stop locations, safety in access to stop locations, minimizing the requirement for students to cross roads, ease of access for the bus, student capacity load, route efficiency and time on the bus. When a driver changes the routing plan, and decides to make "sweetheart stops" they undo the routing departments work, compromise the safety of the children and alter the expectations of students and parents alike, who do not comprehend what goes into the safe transport of the students, only their seemingly disregarded "inconvenience".

zapata - 4/14/2012 7:58 AM
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telephone, I drive for another district, and you are absolutly correct about not changing the stops. This is what happens when a driver changes a stop without authority. Because of all the cutbacks in money, what was a stop last year, may not be a stop this year or the next. Is the district going to pursue charging the parents who opened the doors, or is this going to be open season on parents breaking into buses? JISD needs to step up to the plate, and pursue charges. They even took other people's kids off the bus without the parents permission. I think those parents should also push for charges to be filed. The excuse that they thought the kids were in danger is bull corn. JISD needs to follow through, otherwise, what good is the law? Anybody can just board a bus at will.

Telephone302 - 4/13/2012 8:22 PM
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I am a Judson ISD bus driver having 10 years experience. All school districts are limited by time, distance and cost of operations. To expect every bus on every route drop every child at their front door is totally unrealistic. The “routing office” takes requests for transportation and formulates zones acceptable for the greatest good. They then place the stops at a safe location for the students and avoid traffic disruption as much as possible. This incorporates an averaging system picking up the most students at each stop making it highly efficient. At the beginning of each school year the drivers are told to drive the routes exactly as prescribed in their route book. The route book is put together using the criteria I just described. The first couple of days the driver is asked to be courteous but firm with parents asking to move a stop. We give them the number of the programming office and ask them to call. If this meeting becomes confrontational we are to inform them the routes are set up by the programming office and we may face disciplinary action if we deviate from it. As a last resort we are to break contact and drive off. At this point I must inject that the same bus the parent sees only once in the morning on the elementary route also has to do a middle school and high school route. What may look like a simple change to them may become a major time consumer for us. We are encouraged to take notes on how well our routes are working. Eventually, usually no later than three weeks into the year we are interviewed by a programmer to discuss any changes. Drivers making changes unilaterally are forbidden. I think this is why the incident with “baseball bat lady” took place. The previous driver violated procedure by making changes to the route the programming office was not aware of. The sub driver drove the route as listed in the route book. The parent went nuts because the bus did not stop in front of her house and here we are!

HollyHoly - 4/13/2012 10:43 AM
0 Votes
This is now officially OLD news.

donoho - 4/13/2012 9:32 AM
4 Votes
BRAVO, @pandalvr1970! For @cvy28v6, the driver followed school procedure to the letter. The parents breaking into the buss and hauling out the badly behaved children broke the law, regardless of the presence of a bat. I believe the driver was probably verbally assaulted by the parents, and threatened, whether a weapon was present or not. The parents who whined that their child was crying have absolutely NO SPINE and that’s why their children misbehave. Two words from my mother or father would have snapped me out of a whining, crying snit…those words are “Control yourself!” Children rarely hear that now and I think their parents never learned to control themselves either. For PanzaTank, I’m a parent and a grandparent. How do you know what’s going on inside the bus? How do you ever know? Why don’t you take your children to and from school if you don’t trust the drivers? Both sides had called the police. Rather than acting like a hysterical mob and dragging children off the bus, the parents should have stood outside the buss, told their children to sit down and be quiet and wait for the police to come and let them out. No, kids aren’t dogs. My dogs have always been much better behaved than your kids. Your kids have absolutely no regard for authority. Yes, it was a buss full of young children and I don’t blame them…I BLAME YOU AND THE OTHER VERY BAD PARENTS!

SraSanAnto - 4/13/2012 1:56 AM
4 Votes
Fine the parents..Thats probably why the kids are so disorderly..They just fueled the fire by acting so inmature...Good job Bus Driver..Im not sure I could have stayed so calm..The lady with the bat needs more than a class C charge.

Joey Garza - 4/12/2012 10:18 PM
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Jimmy said that is was strange, when the kids start acting out, all you have to do is whistle, and they will straighten right up and stick their noses up in the air like male grackles. He graduated from medical school, so I believe this to be true.

Joey Garza - 4/12/2012 10:14 PM
0 Votes
My brother, his name is Jim, is a retired doctor, and drives a school bus now. These things are true facts, despite the evidence.

pandalvr1970 - 4/12/2012 9:58 PM
1 Vote
Contrary to popular belief, school bus drivers do comprise of retired doctors, retired military colonels, and do have education AND they do get paid $12-$15 per hour. Why so much, b/c your kids are bad to the core, but the parents are 10x's worst....
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