Until they get rid of the elector college and decide the Presidency on the will of all the people does it really matter who won the debate. Texas is voting red as they always have (at least in my lifetime). I vote for local issues and as long as I am there I vote for the president even though I am aware it will not matter.

The Source- You are confusing Republican and Conservative. There is nothing conservative about the so called "Patriot Act". It is, in fact, anti-conservative. The Patriot Act is a big government abomination that is much loved by any big government lover, but despised for what it is by any real American. Don't try to blame that on anyone who is a conservative. That is a Republican thing. The Republicans still have a pool of people who have differing opinions. Sometimes the conservatives are on top, sometimes others. George Bush was absolutely not a conservative, he was a big government lover. It used to be that way with the Democrats, too. Have you ever heard the term "Conservative Democrat"? They used to exist before the Democrats became either left or far left. Do you understand that the single payer the socialists dream of will put about 20% of the total economy under direct government control? In dream world, socialised medicine works great, but it doesn't work at all on the planet I live on. That removal from the free market of a large part of the economy would become a cancer that would rot the rest. If you want to see sloth and laziness on a monumental level, just spend any time at all inside any office of any organization run by the Federal Government. Then tell me you want those fools to run your life. Your bipartisan point is moot. Why would any thinking, free individual in this country who doesn't want a European style socialist nanny state cooperate with anyone who wants one on any effort to create one?

Beets...If you observe a truly happy man, you will find him building a boat, writing a symphony, educating his son, growing dahlias in his garden, or looking for dinosaur eggs in the Gobi desert. He will not be searching for Spanish translations of Ching, or happiness like it was a collar button that has rolled under a radiator.

This is the true joy of life, the being used for a purpose recognised by yourself as a mighty one; being thoroughly worn out before you are thrown on the scrap heap; being a force of Nature instead of a feverish selfish little clod of ailments and grievances complaining that the world will not devote itself to making you happy.

I'm finally able to watch the full debate. Biden won, actually I think he kicked Ryan's rear, Biden isn't being rude, and is fully complying with the moderator. But yes, Biden is mocking Ryan and Romneys hypocrisy.

Let's see now, who "won". Well that depends on one's specific definition and goals of course. Who has a better grasp of the current state of the country? Paul Ryan. Who has a better vision for the future? Paul Ryan. Who was a class act statesman? Paul Ryan. Who made even more excuses on behalf of his entire administration? Joe Biden. Who has no vision for anything and thinks the current state of our country is great? Joe Biden. Who was a borderline senile smirking and cackling blowhard on national and international television? Joe Biden. In all honesty, I don't know how Court Jester Joe is the sitting Vice President.

@DixieDoll: What else is he supposed to say? The biggest difference is the republicans did not want a single payer system. Obama dropped it as an effort to be bi-partisan. The problem is that repulicant's refuse to work with the Democrats, Obama has tried hard to bring both sides to the table. After failed attempts, I supported doing it the Republican way, shoving it down our throats. Conservative cry foul and say the Dems dont want to work with them. Yet when Bush did rammed, the war, and took away some of our right and privacy (patriot act, which by the way the Bush administration "made a BIG deal (& won) with PASS IT AND WE'LL FIND OUT WHAT'S IN IT LATER!!!" ) the Conservatives are real quiet.

@TheSource, I've read numerous times recently on various sites, left and/or right, that Obama has spent very little time working with or meeting with Congress. If he won't attempt to meet and/or work with them, how can it be said that he's tried many times to reach across party lines for an agreement. Now, Obama said in the first debate that he sort of liked the name "Obamacare", so don't pull the political card on that one, ie: "'Obamacare' as conservatives call it", and don't make it sound like a Conservative/Republican derrogatory "term or name". I know that you haven't expressed your position politically left or right, so sit back, take a deep breath, and look at the whole equation and picture. And, I have to ask you............how do you know that "Obamacare" was different as it passed compared to as it was proposed? Nancy Pelosi made a BIG deal (& won) with PASS IT AND WE'LL FIND OUT WHAT'S IN IT LATER!!!! Please do me the favor of explaining that to me.

Superspurs, I totally understand and agree with where you're coming from. But, we can't give up, and we have to make the adult and educated decision between the lesser of two evils. Now, having said that, I do not consider Romney or Ryan either one evil. I actually don't even consider Biden evil (how can you consider the "class clown" evil?), but I DO consider Obama and his henchmen evil. Biden is their patsy. When you research and look at the characters of Romney & Ryan, you truly can't consider them evil, and both want the best for America and its citizens, even though we may not individually agree with every step. Truthfully, we could all do with a good dose of austerity, couldn't we? Most Americans of today have NO IDEA what it's like to struggle and be hungry, especially with so many being supported by taxpayers. And, if we don't take the HARD road, we could end up on the dead end road. Sorry, but the mistakes that Bush made don't even compare to those of Slick Willy or Obama. (I can argue that subject with you, easily.) The worst of the latest are the White House lies and stance on the Libya affair and loss of American lives. That SHOULD NOT be condoned or accepted in any shape, form, or fashion!!!!! And, the spin on it to shift blame should also not be allowed. If you can't stand up and take responsibility, you have NO business running my country. If you can't take the time for the daily security briefings that might have informed you of this threat that you deny having been advised of, then you have no business in the White House, or as Commander in Chief of our armed forces, or as #1 in the protection of this country from terrorists and extremists. That's my opinion and take on things, and I stand by it!!!

@DixieDoll: Obama has tried many time to reach over to the other side and come to an agreement. But the republicans refuse to play ball. Obama was criticized by many democrats for catering too much to the right. "Obamacare" as conservatives call it, was different as it passed compared to as it was proposed.