Personal information available on the county’s website

Hughes showed us how easy it was to pull up property and legal records for Spur Manu Ginobili, actor Tommy Lee Jones and singer George Strait. (WOAI.com)
Hughes showed us how easy it was to pull up property and legal records for Spur Manu Ginobili, actor Tommy Lee Jones and singer George Strait. (WOAI.com)
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Updated: 7/30/2012 6:06 pm
SAN ANTONIO - In this age of identity theft, we've all learned to take precautions. We shred our documents, delete suspicious email and never give out our social security numbers. But it turns out our sensitive information is wide open on a government website for anyone to take.

News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooter Jaie Avila shows you why it's there, and what you can do about it.

At the Bexar County Clerk's office they recently put up cameras to watch people who might be trying to steal your identity using the county's own computer system. But to really be protected you have to take action.

You see, their database could contain your wedding date and the name of your spouse; the address of your home and how much you paid for it; even legal documents from child support to powers of attorney.

If you did it in Bexar County, it's there on the county clerk's public website.

As Lynn Hughes discovered, some of these documents still have your sensitive information on them.

“Right there on the same website they have my social security, my date of birth, my ex-wife's name, my children's names and where I live,” Hughes told News 4 WOAI.

All he had to do was register his email address to get access to everyone's documents -- even those belonging to Bexar County's most private residents.

Hughes showed us how easy it was to pull up property and legal records for Spur Manu Ginobili, actor Tommy Lee Jones and singer George Strait.

Hughes can't understand why some of the social security numbers, drivers license numbers and birth dates haven't been redacted, and calls the county's database a goldmine for identity thieves.

“This database shouldn't be accessible to anyone,” says Hughes.

We figured there must have been some kind of oversight, so we immediately contacted County Clerk Gerry Rickhoff. But to our surprise, he told us he knows all that sensitive information is on the website.

“I’m not allowed to touch these public records,” Rickhoff told us. “I can't restrict. I don't have the capability to touch any of these open records. They all belong to the public. We just maintain them.”

That's right. An estimated 1,100 pages of records go right up on the website everyday, and no one goes through them to remove personal information. The law doesn't require it.

There is a measure of security: a person has to register to use the site, so law enforcement can trace the IP address of your computer and what you looked at.

“We track everything that everybody looks at on the website,” explained Rickhoff.

And if anyone uses your information to come in and file a forged document, there are those cameras we talked about earlier.

“We take a full frontal shot of that individual, and because it's time-stamped, we know what document you are recording,” Rickhoff said.

But all that evidence is only helpful if you suspect someone's been tampering with your information. That's why Rickhoff says everyone needs to monitor what's under their name on the county website -- just like you check your credit report.

After we contacted them for this story, the county clerk's office made a change. They put a new form on the website, so you can request your social security number be removed from all your documents.

Click here for a link to that form…

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J A 4 - 8/9/2012 1:07 PM
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THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO REDACT ALL PERSONAL INFORMATION FROM PERSONAL ACCESS. Hello, anyone with an ex-spouse after them and in danger? Anyone with a stalker? Anyone with a disgruntled relationship? They are creating a clear and present danger to the people of Bexar County and while they advise you shoudl monitor your Bexar County records for occurences like your credit report, who's going to stop someone from taking all your personal information from THEIR site to commit ID fraud all over the place everywhere BUT their site? Their answer is ludicrous and they should take action immediately to secure all of this information and REQUIRE a freedom of information act to release ANY personal data. They required it for us asking for some pictures of our house from past years before we owned it (the aerial shots) and that was just some simple GPS photos and we are the homeowners with proof of ownership. Now people can get all of my personal and private Data? Their answer is a simple bureaucratic excuse not to take action and I hope they get sued VERY quickly over this.

ABC123 - 8/2/2012 6:20 AM
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donoho: it's always "nice" to hear the ramblings of a know-it-all who is such an authority on data privacy (and probably every other issue)and also likes to correct other people's grammar. have you tried decaf?

glad1 - 8/1/2012 4:12 PM
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This has to be stopped ,only personal info should be available with written permission of the person being checked out ,give your reason for the info and make sure all the snoops info and I.d. Is listed also and their reason for looking into someone else's personal info.it is just that personal! Our Gov. Has there head. Up their arss.

TXHomebrew13 - 8/1/2012 2:31 PM
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You might also notice that you will have to submit a new redaction form for every new document posted on the site (this is not an "opt-out"). What I find hard to swallow is this; My bank can secure my records to at least make it harder to steal my identity, but my local government can't? I'm not getting on a soapbox about how the SSN was never intended to be a form of ID, but I am very concerned that information like it IN THE OPEN could be used to steal my identity and is residing on a PUBLIC SERVER. Bexar County should be held to at least the same set of common sense rules that a private entity upholds. Require a log in and password to access public records at the very least. Well I guess they didn't try to cover it up after it was exposed. Or was that why they posted a new form?

satoday - 8/1/2012 2:24 PM
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Look at the property tax record information - it doesn't have SS# but can have spouse, value of home, list of all the property someone owns in Bexar County - or any other county.

Nobiblehumping - 8/1/2012 2:10 PM
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Welcome to WOAI we make news out of nothing!!!

sinsativ - 8/1/2012 11:35 AM
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First of all, I didn't mean to use the cliche burst, I knew what I wanted to use. second, that form wasn't available until this story aired. Thirdly, you are mis-using the term Legal document for public record availability. You choose to have all your info out there, fine. But the other people that care to protect their privacy should try and get this info cleared. Your social security number is not public record, nor your driver's license. It is their job to redact that info before they scan these documents into their database.

donoho - 8/1/2012 11:08 AM
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Well, @sinsative, you’ve not burst (not “bust”) anything of mine. Power of Attorney is a legal document and should be part of the public record. Child support termination, likewise. WRT DOB, if you have multiple generations of people with the same name, i.e. John Smith, John Smith Jr., John Smith III, John Smith IV, then you need that to differentiate. So if you don’t want your information published, keep it to yourself. WRT DOB, just use a year. Finally, if you want to withhold your information, USE THE FORM that the county is supplying for that purpose.

sinsativ - 8/1/2012 8:48 AM
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"donoho" Sorry to bust your bubble, but the info on Bexar county's website is not whats included in the public records info. How could a bank application for a home improvement be considered Public Record? A power of Attorney? child support termination? Also, check Houston/Harris Couty records, theirs is all only data info. they don't even put the DOB from the app on their site. And how many times someone has been married is not in question, just all the personal info that they are scanning in. I don't think the people that requested a Power of Atty to be recorded in 1995 had any idea that the info written by the notary, ss# / Tdl# would be scanned in also. And who would have known about this being scanned onto a non-existent internet back then.

donoho - 8/1/2012 8:23 AM
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I’m with you @Anexa; I’ve used that website for at least the past five years, and have NEVER seen a social security number. I’ve also located a number of classmates (women in particular whose names might change several times between graduation and class reunion time. Likewise, @Jimkata, it’s a great genealogical tool. If what you predict happens, @Grumpy, at least they’ll be able to nail the people who want to steal identities. Sorry yours was stolen. What a bummer. @sinsative, I have to say that this is regrettable but probably no different than other US Government websites. I stopped giving out my social security number about five years ago. If anyone insists, I’ll give them the last four digits, but challenge them to show why they need it. I think people need to take some responsibility for protecting themselves. The “Freedom of Information Act” insists that public records be, well, public. Sorry, @ABS123, but if you have something to hide, you can’t do it as easily any more. If you’ve been married four times, and never divorced, and you’re dating someone else, they ought to know before they become your fifth spouse, and your fourth bigamy. I know of someone who married spouse number two before they were divorced from spouse number one. That makes them both a bigamist, and not legally married to spouse number two…who probably has no idea they are not married. So I say again, public records are public.
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