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Updated: 5/01/2012 3:10 pm
SAN ANTONIO - Buying a home isn't like it used to be. Lending rules for banks are tighter, which means getting financing is much tougher. So when you see a sign that promises a home for much lower than the regular asking price, you can't help but wonder if the offer is legit.

News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooter Mireya Villarreal went undercover to get you the Inside Story.

No matter what side of town you live on, there's a good chance you've seen those advertising signs on the side of the road offering an $89,000 home for $45,000. In San Antonio there are at least two companies behind these ads, New Western Acquisitions and Networth Realty.

Their sales pitches are nearly identical. Their objective is to get you to call, get you to come in and eventually sell you on something more than just a house.

So, we called the number on two of these signs to see if the advertised property is even available. Both agents told News 4 WOAI’s Mireya Villarreal the home listed on their sign isn't available. But if she came into their offices they could show her something near these price ranges.

So she went undercover at both Networth Realty and New Western Acquisitions, with the intent of figuring out if there was any truth to the signs posted around town.

"Dumpy homes is our forte. I'm not Keller Williams or Remax. I'm not racing out to get the fancy listing up in Stone Oak. That's not what we do,” Nathan Cron explained during our first meeting.

Nathan Cron is the General Manager for New Western Acquisitions and his business is found downtown off Broadway downtown.

"How I get my clientele is those signs you called me off of and word of mouth advertising. That's it,” Adam Asrar told us in a separate meeting.

Adam Asrar is a salesperson for Networth Realty off 410 and Blanco. The homes both of these guys are offering are not move in ready. These are foreclosures, VA properties or auction homes needing a lot of work.

While meeting at his office, Nathan breaks down exactly what his company does, "So, we're a one-stop-shop. We locate distressed properties for investors. We'll help with the financing portion of it if need be. We'll put you in touch with local vendors that can help you with the rehab. And we'll consult you on the exit strategy so we can do it again."

Adam’s pitch is very similar, "We find the properties. We get the funding if you need the funding for the property. We can provide you the crews if you need the crews to fix the property. And we can prepare you an exit strategy for the property."

So, they'd set you up to flip the house. But you'll still need money for the rehab. And both Adam and Nathan know just where to find it.

"The only alternative to a cash investor would be somebody that wants to utilize hard money,” Nathan told us.

“It's technically a loan. But technically it's also private money, its hard money. It's OPM, other people's money,” Adam said in a separate meeting.

A hard money loan will cover the cost of the house and the rehab. It's a loan often used by business people who flip homes and comes with a high interest rate.

Adam tells us just how expensive this venture can get if we take out a hard money loan, "Interest rate of 14%. Of course, that's pretty high. Origination loan of four points. Loan term is six months. They're going to loan you up to 70% of the ARV.”

Nathan’s sell is nearly identical, “It's a high-interest only loan. So, it's something you want to get in it and out of it extremely fast, as fast as you can."

Real estate experts we spoke with say it's dangerous for someone buying a house for themselves to get into this type of loan. But Nathan and Adam still try to sell us on it.

“At least for right now, we're looking for a home that's for us only, residential. We want to go in there and fix it up and live in it ourselves. So, can this still apply,” Trouble Shooter Mireya Villarreal asked.
Adam of Networth Realty answered, “Of course."

“This is a home just for us,” Mireya mentions during her second meeting with Nathan of New Western Acquisitions.
“I love that idea for a couple of different reasons,” Nathan replies. “We've actually, just last month we had two owner occupants come in and do this loan, rehab it and then live in it."

We met with both of these companies twice. Each time we spent 30 minutes to an hour going over the homes we could buy if we signed on with them. Problem is - We never got to see a real home they had for sale. In fact, the only way we were going to get that was if we signed a bunch of paperwork or got on their email list.

So, that’s when we went back to both of these companies, camera rolling, to find out what gives?

“We had some questions about some of the signs you put out and the advertisement this kind of pitches out,” News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooter asked as she approached Nathan Cron at New Western Acquisitions.

“I'm not interested in speaking about that,” Nathan replied.

In less than a few minutes Nathan escorted our crew out the door.

But since then he sent us a statement saying we never got to see a home because I didn't follow protocol. And we must have misunderstood him when he was talking about hard-money loans. He says he would never suggest that type of loan for a first-time homebuyer.

But just a few days earlier we caught Cron on camera saying something completely different.

“So, hard money loans are still a possibility then if it's like a residential place like a place just for me,” Mireya asked.

“If it's distressed, ya,” he answered.

We also went by Networth Realty and tried to speak with Jeremy Coburn, Adam's boss and owner of the company. Coburn had nothing to say to our camera that day.

But a few days ago he did send us a statement saying hard money loans were for commercial use only. He explained Adam Asrar is a new employee and adds, if inaccurate information was relayed during our meetings corrective action will be taken immediately.

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Strings - 3/16/2013 8:00 PM
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You seem a little upset, URH. It sounds like you are making a living selling homes that you bought on the cheap. It's like a good will store, I take it, and I admire you for your energy and perseverance. Your many words somehow remind me of that little fellow in the Green Mile named Wetmore.

UseYourHead - 3/16/2013 7:36 PM
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To continue (see previous comment), the reason you don't see properties b/c they sell UNBELIEVABLY fast. I sold a house in less than 24 hrs last year. They might not have homes at that exact point in time. The reason the list and protocol exists is to allow them the time to find properties instead of carting people around town to look at different listings. Remember, they are not Keller Williams, Remax, etc. I know what youre thinking about the signs. False advertising, maybe? Well, lets look at why you called. Did you call because you loved that exact house or did you like the margins? I'd guess it was the difference in ARV and sale price. The moral of the story is that you need to educate yourself and never get into ANY investment in an industry you are completely familiar with. I feel bad that these guys were portrayed negatively. It goes to show you how the easily-swayed masses love going on witch hunts. Well, this isnt Salem and I dont see any brooms in these guys' hands. CONCLUSION: FROM THIS SEGMENT, I SEE NOTHING WRONG OR UNETHICAL WITH THEIR BUSINESS MODEL. How about WOAI post the entire UNEDITED article? If you are a not a fan of blow-hard rants, throw your computer out the window or just stop reading here. The thing that amazes me most is how so many of you look over the facts and dialogue of this article. The people who make these videos must laugh at how the tone of a story can make you think one way or another. No one ever told me how stupid adults were going to be. For everyone who bashed these guys without really knowing the truth, I have a quote for you. "What youve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, & may God have mercy on your soul."

UseYourHead - 3/16/2013 7:16 PM
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I rarely post, but I felt compelled after this link was sent to me. First, here's a bit about me. I flip homes; in fact, I just sold 1 last month. If we didn't have cash, we were going to use hard money. I am also a trustee of commercial, residential & multi-family homes. I worked for years at a financial law firm too. I am ethical & I pride myself on never succumbing to uneducated/unsupported claims. I am 26, self-employed, honest & think some of you need to take a closer look at this segment. Do you guys take all of what is given to you as gospel? Scam people? Listen to what Nathan says at 2:46 (time left). He states, "It's a high interest-only loan so you want to get it & out of it extremely fast, as fast as you can." Flipping homes is not easy & takes a ton of knowledge, hard work, connections, & competency. Why didn't WOAI invite someone other than these co's to interview about hard money & buying homes? As for the danger of hard money and flipping, of course its dangerous. Almost all investments with high returns are. I made my last investor 20% on $185k in 3 months. If it was easy everyone would be doing it. As for using hard money for a primary home, definitely a good SHORT-TERM option if you have challenged credit, the house is in poor enough shape so that conventional financing isnt an option, OR if you dont have the capital to purchase the home, pay vendors, market the property, pay PITI, & buy materials SIMULTANEOUSLY. I know people who have used hard money on their primary home, rehabbed it, then refinanced later. They must be hurting right? Wrong. They just refi'd for a 30% increase in value. Furthermore, lets say the reporter wanted to buy beat up home & wants to BUILD EQUITY by rehabbing it. Where does she go for the money? How does she find a beat up home? Adam & Nathan know. At 2:30, "can this still apply?" Adam says, "Yes." Keyword here is APPLIES. And, the most probable 2nd reason Nathan was going to mention was to build equity.

UseYourHead - 3/16/2013 7:16 PM
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I rarely post, but I felt compelled after this link was sent to me. First, here's a bit about me. I flip homes; in fact, I just sold 1 last month. If we didn't have cash, we were going to use hard money. I am also a trustee of commercial, residential & multi-family homes. I worked for years at a financial law firm too. I am ethical & I pride myself on never succumbing to uneducated/unsupported claims. I am 26, self-employed, honest & think some of you need to take a closer look at this segment. Do you guys take all of what is given to you as gospel? Scam people? Listen to what Nathan says at 2:46 (time left). He states, "It's a high interest-only loan so you want to get it & out of it extremely fast, as fast as you can." Flipping homes is not easy & takes a ton of knowledge, hard work, connections, & competency. Why didn't WOAI invite someone other than these co's to interview about hard money & buying homes? As for the danger of hard money and flipping, of course its dangerous. Almost all investments with high returns are. I made my last investor 20% on $185k in 3 months. If it was easy everyone would be doing it. As for using hard money for a primary home, definitely a good SHORT-TERM option if you have challenged credit, the house is in poor enough shape so that conventional financing isnt an option, OR if you dont have the capital to purchase the home, pay vendors, market the property, pay PITI, & buy materials SIMULTANEOUSLY. I know people who have used hard money on their primary home, rehabbed it, then refinanced later. They must be hurting right? Wrong. They just refi'd for a 30% increase in value. Furthermore, lets say the reporter wanted to buy beat up home & wants to BUILD EQUITY by rehabbing it. Where does she go for the money? How does she find a beat up home? Adam & Nathan know. At 2:30, "can this still apply?" Adam says, "Yes." Keyword here is APPLIES. And, the most probable 2nd reason Nathan was going to mention was to build equity.

CEvestor - 5/3/2012 10:22 AM
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The main problem is these guys prey on uneducated buyers as shown in this video. Why would anyone in their right mind suggest using a hard money loan for their personal home? hmmm sounds like they have NO integrity! And they don't care to tell the new investors to get properly educated first! 99% of these big time whole sellers are NOT investors and make a big chunk of money selling these homes to newbies. They inflate the values and under estimate the repairs...OH and 4 points and 14% interest? ISB is not the only lender in San Antonio!!! SHOP AROUND PEOPLE!!!!

MedSciGal - 5/2/2012 7:36 PM
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Just as I suspected, a fruitless and pathetically researched "news story" by a novice reporter scrounging for a story. Assuming that the groundbreaking news was that the homes these companies are selling are not for owner occupants--SHOCKER! Both guys explained multiple times what hard money loans are for and that they are not for owner occ's. But Villeareal and Channel 4 clearly tried to manipulate them and trick viewers. The one guy said "I like that idea for two reasons"...BUT CHANNEL 4 DIDN'T AIR THE REST OF HIS COMMENT! Bet he was assuming she actually was an INVESTOR and with MONEY to flip a house and live in it. These deals aren't for the general public and these companies sure aren't thriving by stealing REMAX's clients! Piss poor job Villareal...and where were your different perspectives interviewing investors? Oh, that's right, shoddy newscasters are one sided and don't do their homework. Good publicity for those two companies but bad business for WOAI.

jEFFdAVIS - 5/2/2012 4:14 PM
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They will make you put 5,000 to "hold" a property but what they don't tell you is it's NON-REFUNDABLE!!! SCUM BAGGS

jEFFdAVIS - 5/2/2012 4:13 PM
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These guys are nothing but SCUM BAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jergold - 5/2/2012 9:03 AM
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I just read some more and want to expand because some of these comments are soooo funny. It's possible some of the posters work for these companies. who knows? who cares? It's irrelevent to the story. Yes.. i'm a new poster, but only because I know something about these companies. If they are doing something wrong..crucify them. But if not, then let free enterprise reign. Here are some facts. The signs.. definitely a bait and switch tactic. They use them to get you in the door. We all know this. Hard money--used nationwide by thousands of investors who understand what hard money is. Wholesale real estate companies (as the two mentioned in the story)-- also used nationwide by thousands of investors. I've met with both of these companies and am on their mailing list. I have not used either yet. But, if a deal comes along that makes sense to me, then I have no problem using them and a hard money lender. OPM baby !! I strongly advise anyone buying a house..either for themselves or to flip or to rent out, to DO YOUR HOMEWORK !!! There is a much higher risk using hard money. Don't use hard money if you can't exit within 6 months. I just looked at one of the deals and ran the numbers. Conservitavely, I could make about 12k if the house sold within 90 days. 7k in 180 days. That one is not for me, but could be for someone else. I honestly think the only "scam" here is the bait and switch with the signs. But, as someone else posted.. the good deals do go quickly. Usually within a day or two. Again, I'm not defending anyone.. if these companies are misleading people, then prosecute them. But, all the posters on here should do some fact checking for themselves. The only questionable story is the "first time homebuyer" path the reporter took. That's my fifty cents. Peace!!

Jergold - 5/2/2012 8:40 AM
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@centexinvestor I agree with you. These companies are primarily for investors who understand the risk associated with hard money loans. However, if you are saavy, have good credit and can manage a rehab, you certainly can be an owner/occupant. Just fix it up so it appraises and apply for a conventional, FHA, or VA loan. The only reason you can't get conventional in the first place is that it won't appraise until it is fixed. If either of these companies is not clearly explaining things to first time homebuyers.. then shame on them !!! As an investor, I understand their business and only use them if it makes sense for my personal situation. Each deal is different.
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